Posts tagged sandor
Posts tagged sandor
Well, we don’t really know. Note some smallfolk do have surnames — it’s rare, but they do exist. The Heddles, for example, though they in particular may be descendants of a once-noble house stripped of its lands, or are at least definitely descendants of a knight — and knights sometimes take “lord’s names” no matter their origin. (Davos, for example, was not called “Seaworth” before he was made a landed knight; see also Rolly Duckfield.) Or smallfolk can sometimes acquire surnames through their village names, or through soldier training:
Having three Wats in the company caused confusion when Bennis was trying to tell them what to do. “We should give them village names, ser,” Egg suggested, “like Ser Arlan of Pennytree, your old master.” That might have worked, only their villages had no names, either. “Well,” said Egg, “we could call them for their crops, ser.” One village sat amongst bean fields, one planted mostly barleycorn, and the third cultivated rows of cabbages, carrots, onions, turnips, and melons. No one wanted to be a Cabbage or a Turnip, so the last lot became the Melons. They ended up with four Barleycorns, two Melons, and two Beans. […] The men were thrilled to have been given “lord’s names,” save for Big Rob, who could not seem to remember whether he was a Bean or a Barleycorn.
—The Sworn Sword
And there’s also the occasional incidence of bastards and the legitimate descendants of bastards.
As for House Clegane, I doubt the keep was named beforehand, or Sandor probably wouldn’t have called it just “a towerhouse” or “my father’s keep” when telling his stories to Sansa. (The name “Clegane’s Keep” is not officially canon, btw — while GRRM did verbally place its location southeast of Lannisport, he never named it and it has not appeared on any ASOIAF maps, only the ones produced for GOT. But that’s probably the best we’ll get.) And while Sandor’s grandfather could have had a surname before he was knighted and given lands, I’d suspect it was most like Davos’s situation. That is, he chose a name of some meaning to him, whatever it was.
And that meaning… well, I’ve sometimes seen people break down Clegane into “cleg” + “ane”, supposedly translating to “one leg” in Scots. (Since Sandor’s grandfather lost a leg to the lioness who would have otherwise killed Tytos Lannister.) But I’m afraid that’s not true. While “ane” does mean the number one, “cleg” actually means “horsefly” or “missile”. (Also, um, people don’t use the Scots language in Westeros.)
Anyway, I’m pretty sure GRRM just made up the name just because it sounded good, like he supposedly did for Sandor’s name. (He claims to have been unaware that “Sandor” is a Hungarian name.) Or maybe GRRM found “Clegane” in an Irish genealogy book or something, I don’t know. But there’s no known textual meaning or origin, unfortunately.
btw. Sándor, the Hungarian name, is spelled more-or-less the same, but it’s pronounced with a “sh”, so it’s really “shaandor” (in Hungarian orthography, s is always pronounced / sh /; so if I am not mistaken, you would need to spell the name Szandor for it to retain it’s pronunciation). Now that I think of it, it would be interesting to know how is the name spelled in Hungarian translations of the books (if there are any). My point is, I don’t think Hungarians would recognize the names to be the same, really (when heard, not read).
Also, Sándor is a form of the name Alexander, and doesn’t mean anything in itself in Hungarian (correct me if I’m wrong, I can’t claim to know Hungarian, only have a kind of superficial understanding of how it sounds and how to read it, as I come into contact with it occasionally, living where I do). I have read some people claim it means “defender” or “warrior”, which is more true of the name Alexander (itself originally Greek), but as Sándor is a very bastardized form of it, I wouldn’t say it means anything anymore, really :/.
(Also, on a not utterly unrelated, but a much more cracky note: a sometimes (mostly be me) used name for the Sansa x Stannis pairing is Stansa (or Stannsa) which sounds like Slovak “staň sa”, i.e. second person imperative of happen, or become true. That has to mean something for the pairing, right?)
"Sandor has to do it for good, not evil" — violence is evil by definition. That’s what I’m getting from the Hound’s storyline anyway, certainly insofar as its terminus at the moment involves Septon Meribald’s War of the Ninepenny Kings monologue. Fuck the Kingsguard, fuck the city, fuck the King, and fuck the concept of redemptive violence.
That said, what will kill “Robert Strong”? Your guess is as good as mine. We don’t know how this form of life/undeath operates. We don’t even know if it has a head!
#redemption =/= reverting back to previous behavior but labeling it as a godly act #this is why i can’t get behind the idea of sandor reappearing just to defeat qyburn’s monster #the hound is dead #and with that death must come an end to the need for revenge and retribution #sandor clegane is at rest
Sandor and StrangerI love this! My two favorite characters :)
This is such a Sandor song.
There’s a reckoning a’coming
It burns beyond the grave
There’s lead inside my belly
‘Cause my soul has lost its way
Oh Lazarus, how did your debts get paid?
Oh Lazarus, were you so afraid?
When the fires, when the fires have surrounded you
With the hounds of hell coming after you
I’ve got blood, I’ve got blood on my name
When the fires, when the fires are consuming you
And your sacred stars won’t be guiding you
I’ve got blood, I’ve got blood, blood on my name
Not a spell gonna be broken
With a potion or a priest
When you’re cursed you’re always hoping
That a prophet would be grieved
Can’t you see I’m sorry?
I will make it worth your while
Made of dead mans money
You can see it in my smile
It won’t be long
‘Til I’m dead and gone
Watch the fires rise
Burn through my skin
Down to the bone
Scorching my soul
Nowhere to run
thehoundking: bb can we please talk about how fraking done Sandor is in that second gif?
Oh, he is so done.
"How the buggering hells did I get stuck with pretty boy Lancel, wee prick Joffrey and the bloody Imp anyway? And now they want me to play this childish game when I’m trying to gear up to go cleave a few dozen men in half? What is my life??"
You can see even how more done he is in this gif (from this photoset):
Just a “why in seven hells are you getting me involved with this, Joff” eyeroll, and a “you are a complete buggering moron” stare at Lancel.
Though I don’t think in any of those posts I ever figured out a real answer to your questions. I did explore a bit why Joffrey (almost) never commanded Sandor to beat Sansa, note. Like, this post addresses the narrative reasons, that GRRM was deliberately keeping Sandor’s character ambiguous, to hold his true feelings about Joffrey and the Kingsguard and Sansa in tension until they’re eventually revealed.
But the in-character reasons I was much more uncertain of.
Yesterday I reread Brienne’s Quiet Isle chapter and… I just can’t about the obviousness of the Gravedigger’s real identity.
Like, GRRM is dropping clues at every turn, and he is not even trying to be subtle about it. It’s as if he is standing right before you and screaming it in your face, while waving a huge poster with “GRAVEDIGGER IS SANDOR” written on it (in all caps).
Ah. The wonders of ASOIAF rereads.
"If there are gods, they made sheep so wolves could eat mutton, and they made the weak for the strong to play with." - Sandor ‘The Hound’ Clegane
corseque beautifully put :)
scarred, hook nosed sandor makes me really happy but a lot of people use rory as their main face model and it’s like okay yes rory is nice but whERE IS MY HOUND GOSH DARNIT
show!sandor: brown hair, brown puppy dog eyes, tall, on the leaner side of muscled, beard, in his 40’s, a quarter of his face kinda burned, cutie pie
book!sandor: black hair, grey angry demon eyes, massively tall, “muscled like an aurochs,” not beardy but probably stubbly, late 20’s, hideous two-face looking burn, terrifying pie