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it would seem Sandor wrote a song

I tried to love you I thought I could
I tried to own you I thought I would
I want to peel the skin from your face
Before the real you lays to waste

You told me I’m the only one
Sweet little angel you should have run
Lying, crying, dying to leave
Innocence creates my hell

Cheating myself still you know more
It would be so easy with a whore
Try to understand me little girl
My twisted passion to be your world

Lost inside my sick head
I live for you but I’m not alive
Take my hand before I kill
I still love you, but, I still burn

(Source: youtube.com)

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thevideowall asked: Following on from the Gendry/surnames question - What about the Clegane family? Did Grandpa Clegane have a surname when he was just a lowly kennelmaster before Tytos gave him the lands and keep? Was Clegane's Keep named after the family or maybe did it have that name previously and they took their name from that?

nobodysuspectsthebutterfly:

Well, we don’t really know. Note some smallfolk do have surnames — it’s rare, but they do exist. The Heddles, for example, though they in particular may be descendants of a once-noble house stripped of its lands, or are at least definitely descendants of a knight — and knights sometimes take “lord’s names” no matter their origin. (Davos, for example, was not called “Seaworth” before he was made a landed knight; see also Rolly Duckfield.) Or smallfolk can sometimes acquire surnames through their village names, or through soldier training:

Having three Wats in the company caused confusion when Bennis was trying to tell them what to do. “We should give them village names, ser,” Egg suggested, “like Ser Arlan of Pennytree, your old master.” That might have worked, only their villages had no names, either. “Well,” said Egg, “we could call them for their crops, ser.” One village sat amongst bean fields, one planted mostly barleycorn, and the third cultivated rows of cabbages, carrots, onions, turnips, and melons. No one wanted to be a Cabbage or a Turnip, so the last lot became the Melons. They ended up with four Barleycorns, two Melons, and two Beans. […] The men were thrilled to have been given “lord’s names,” save for Big Rob, who could not seem to remember whether he was a Bean or a Barleycorn.

The Sworn Sword

And there’s also the occasional incidence of bastards and the legitimate descendants of bastards.

As for House Clegane, I doubt the keep was named beforehand, or Sandor probably wouldn’t have called it just “a towerhouse” or “my father’s keep” when telling his stories to Sansa. (The name “Clegane’s Keep” is not officially canon, btw — while GRRM did verbally place its location southeast of Lannisport, he never named it and it has not appeared on any ASOIAF maps, only the ones produced for GOT. But that’s probably the best we’ll get.) And while Sandor’s grandfather could have had a surname before he was knighted and given lands, I’d suspect it was most like Davos’s situation. That is, he chose a name of some meaning to him, whatever it was.

And that meaning… well, I’ve sometimes seen people break down Clegane into “cleg” + “ane”, supposedly translating to “one leg” in Scots. (Since Sandor’s grandfather lost a leg to the lioness who would have otherwise killed Tytos Lannister.) But I’m afraid that’s not true. While “ane” does mean the number one, “cleg” actually means “horsefly” or “missile”. (Also, um, people don’t use the Scots language in Westeros.)

Anyway, I’m pretty sure GRRM just made up the name just because it sounded good, like he supposedly did for Sandor’s name. (He claims to have been unaware that “Sandor” is a Hungarian name.) Or maybe GRRM found “Clegane” in an Irish genealogy book or something, I don’t know. But there’s no known textual meaning or origin, unfortunately.

btw. Sándor, the Hungarian name, is spelled more-or-less the same, but it’s pronounced with a “sh”, so it’s really “shaandor” (in Hungarian orthography, s  is always pronounced / sh /; so if I am not mistaken, you would need to spell the name Szandor for it to retain it’s pronunciation). Now that I think of it, it would be interesting to know how is the name spelled in Hungarian translations of the books (if there are any). My point is, I don’t think Hungarians would recognize the names to be the same, really (when heard, not read).

Also, Sándor is a form of the name Alexander, and doesn’t mean anything in itself in Hungarian (correct me if I’m wrong, I can’t claim to know Hungarian, only have a kind of superficial understanding of how it sounds and how to read it, as I come into contact with it occasionally, living where I do). I have read some people claim it means “defender” or “warrior”, which is more true of the name Alexander (itself originally Greek), but as Sándor is a very bastardized form of it, I wouldn’t say it means anything anymore, really :/.

(Also, on a not utterly unrelated, but a much more cracky note: a sometimes (mostly be me) used name for the Sansa x Stannis pairing is Stansa (or Stannsa) which sounds like Slovak “staň sa”, i.e. second person imperative of happen, or become true. That has to mean something for the pairing, right?)

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drewhink asked: I know you think Sandor is out of the game, but there is poetic/thematic/contextual support for him going back to kill the Qyborg. To get redemption, Sandor has to do it for good, not evil-thus killing an unnatural reanimated evil version of his brother in the name of his new-found god fits. I'm concerned about how exactly you kill something that isn't alive. If not the "lame" Sandor, then how(and who) do you think will eventually end the Qyborg? Maybe kill the master to kill the puppet?

amplifyme:

boiledleather:

"Sandor has to do it for good, not evil" — violence is evil by definition. That’s what I’m getting from the Hound’s storyline anyway, certainly insofar as its terminus at the moment involves Septon Meribald’s War of the Ninepenny Kings monologue. Fuck the Kingsguard, fuck the city, fuck the King, and fuck the concept of redemptive violence.

That said, what will kill “Robert Strong”? Your guess is as good as mine. We don’t know how this form of life/undeath operates. We don’t even know if it has a head!

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This is such a Sandor song.

———————-

There’s a reckoning a’coming
It burns beyond the grave
There’s lead inside my belly
‘Cause my soul has lost its way

Oh Lazarus, how did your debts get paid?
Oh Lazarus, were you so afraid?

When the fires, when the fires have surrounded you
With the hounds of hell coming after you
I’ve got blood, I’ve got blood on my name

When the fires, when the fires are consuming you
And your sacred stars won’t be guiding you
I’ve got blood, I’ve got blood, blood on my name

Not a spell gonna be broken
With a potion or a priest
When you’re cursed you’re always hoping
That a prophet would be grieved

Can’t you see I’m sorry?
I will make it worth your while
Made of dead mans money
You can see it in my smile

It won’t be long
‘Til I’m dead and gone
Watch the fires rise
Burn through my skin
Down to the bone
Scorching my soul
Nowhere to run

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nobodysuspectsthebutterfly:

amplifyme:

thehoundking:

Oh, he is so done.

"How the buggering hells did I get stuck with pretty boy Lancel, wee prick Joffrey and the bloody Imp anyway? And now they want me to play this childish game when I’m trying to gear up to go cleave a few dozen men in half? What is my life??"

You can see even how more done he is in this gif (from this photoset):

Just a “why in seven hells are you getting me involved with this, Joff” eyeroll, and a “you are a complete buggering moron” stare at Lancel.

(Source: queencersei)

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Anonymous asked: Why exactly did Joffrey never tell the Hound to beat Sansa? Could Joff sense he'd be disobeyed, and he didn't want to order his dog's tongue torn out (or whatever)? And then, what changed in the throne room scene -- why did he suddenly decide to give the Hound the command *that* time? Thanks for knowing all about ASOIAF!

nobodysuspectsthebutterfly:

I actually have a series of posts on this subject. (Naturally.) Let me just link them for you: 1, 2, 3, 4. (The fourth’s a transcribed chat and wanders a bit, but does cover the topic.)

Though I don’t think in any of those posts I ever figured out a real answer to your questions. I did explore a bit why Joffrey (almost) never commanded Sandor to beat Sansa, note. Like, this post addresses the narrative reasons, that GRRM was deliberately keeping Sandor’s character ambiguous, to hold his true feelings about Joffrey and the Kingsguard and Sansa in tension until they’re eventually revealed.

But the in-character reasons I was much more uncertain of.

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